tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post7110432939448680335..comments2023-03-25T04:53:31.262-07:00Comments on Final Crisis Annotations: Final Crisis #7Douglas Wolkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10691167073493285913noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-18985458280641164842009-02-08T23:52:00.000-08:002009-02-08T23:52:00.000-08:00David Alexander McDonald:RIGHT ON! Though I read ...David Alexander McDonald:<BR/><BR/>RIGHT ON! Though I read this as the Monitors standing in not just for editorial fiat, but as "authors imposing their will on the creation." The "hero" Monitor is the one who became a character in the story and is working in harmony with the creation as opposed to exerting his will by force. (In Morrisonese, he put on his fictionsuit.) <BR/><BR/>Also, re: Nix Uotan -- has anybody dwelled on the rather obvious Christ parallels? ("Son" of creator god projected into the Creation in mortal form and opening a new way?)<BR/><BR/>Re: Mandrakk -- I've mentioned it before, but I can't help thinking this is an oblique/backwards reference to Alan Moore's "Pictopia" story where the Mandrake figure watches in dismay as the grim-'n'-gritty 90s heroes turn the comic strip "neighborhood" into a ravaged ghetto.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-29597599318449860602009-02-07T14:22:00.000-08:002009-02-07T14:22:00.000-08:00In the Superman from all worlds scene, one on the ...In the Superman from all worlds scene, one on the far left with the red suit and white cape made me think of the oldschool Superman arcade game. Long live Superman P2!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-65953675786614726702009-02-04T20:13:00.000-08:002009-02-04T20:13:00.000-08:00Morrison himself confirmed that the Batman cliffha...Morrison himself confirmed that the Batman cliffhanger was the part editorial asked him to put in.<BR/><BR/>He said his ending was the same, but more vague, and they wanted it more obvious.<BR/><BR/>I'm actually going to give this one to DC Editorial. I think the ending was huge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-15257646955829299692009-02-03T21:16:00.000-08:002009-02-03T21:16:00.000-08:00No, I believe Batman in the "endless death trap" a...No, I believe Batman in the "endless death trap" and starting in the past was part of Morrison's plan all along. He's even going to be getting back into the "Fate of Bruce Wayne" and whether or not Doctor Hurt is the "Devil pretending to be Thomas Wayne", or "Thomas Wayne pretending to be the Devil".<BR/><BR/>I think it was the Hawks biting it that was added in at the behest of editorial.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-39962154671979836702009-02-01T02:54:00.000-08:002009-02-01T02:54:00.000-08:00I actually read the "final crisis of the Monitors"...I actually read the "final crisis of the Monitors" business as Morrison calling for less editorial fiat and interference, in that too much editorial control and direction ends up distorting and destroying otherwise good stories -- just as we've seen Monitors screwing up their worlds by attempting to exert control, rather than simply monitoring and recording.<BR/><BR/>I caught the "when I get back of the fridge" bit -- made me smile.<BR/><BR/>I think the one thing DC made him put in was the last page. Some people probably won;t get what happene to Batman even so...and everyone else knows it;s a matter of time before Bruce Wayne is back and bat-suited.David Alexander McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13766267421475512708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-44769911948351449282009-01-31T19:42:00.000-08:002009-01-31T19:42:00.000-08:00"So sad, so hopeful, so brave" could certainly des..."So sad, so hopeful, so brave" could certainly describe the John Williams theme for "Superman", which isn't a a bad choice for theme for the DCU.<BR/><BR/>One thing that's missing is how we get from the end of the battle in Bludhaven - Wonder Woman breaking her mask, Darkseid dying, etc. - to the Watchtower in a collapsed universe. You can certainly fill imagine a narrative to fill in those blanks, but it'd be nice to actually see those details, as well as how it connects to Checkmate/Earth 51 - did those people end up on the Watchtower too? (Probably not...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-20525890599206469092009-01-30T17:04:00.000-08:002009-01-30T17:04:00.000-08:00'Kay, I have a question:Issue 2, page of "See how ...'Kay, I have a question:<BR/><BR/>Issue 2, page of "See how selflessly..." there's a stargate of sorts in the Command D bunker that looks <I>remarkably</I> similar to Checkmate's tunnel. Significant?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-37752639118967424792009-01-30T15:22:00.000-08:002009-01-30T15:22:00.000-08:00"One thing you don't mention - the Green Lanterns ..."One thing you don't mention - the Green Lanterns use a Kryptonite stake on the vampire Superman."<BR/><BR/>No they don't, they stake Mandrakk (and it's not Kryptonite, it's just green energy from their rings); the Supermen burn Ultraman with heat vision.neftoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07063219442831357771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-83951203613199214592009-01-30T13:08:00.000-08:002009-01-30T13:08:00.000-08:00One thing you don't mention - the Green Lanterns u...One thing you don't mention - the Green Lanterns use a Kryptonite stake on the vampire Superman.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-4300570191540702392009-01-30T11:31:00.000-08:002009-01-30T11:31:00.000-08:00I think the Omega Gambit wormhole collapse may hav...I think the Omega Gambit wormhole collapse may have teleported and time-displaced Mr. Terrific a few weeks back to Antarctica. He comments on the cold as it happens, and it would explain how he seemed to be in two places at once during the series.hilkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12355736315398159865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-85340829331836891102009-01-30T09:33:00.000-08:002009-01-30T09:33:00.000-08:00A lot of people seems to be mad about having to re...A lot of people seems to be mad about having to re-read or searching in the web after any FC issue. But in a day and age in which information its so at hand like now, is it that so bad??? I do it anyway with any tv show, movie or book I read, and I know for sure I'm not alone in this (just as an example, LOST probably wouldn't be so much fun without people trying to decipher every little clue the producers toss to the viewers)so I really don't get all the bad mojo. I have never found any Crisis event new-reader-friendly anyway, just for the shear amount of characters that are involved or its relationships with previous Crisis. Any regular joe thinking a Crisis its the perfect moment to get to really understand the DCU will probably end up with his head blown up anyway, so what's the fuzz???<BR/>Anyway, its nice to find a site fanrant-free for once in a while. Nice job, cheers!awesomedudesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03163613566878393677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-33534155198568597002009-01-30T00:42:00.000-08:002009-01-30T00:42:00.000-08:00Someone else caught this, but the last page of #7 ...Someone else caught this, but the last page of #7 leads back to the sliver cover of #1.jdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06260861293565163862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-23996017036632915642009-01-29T22:52:00.000-08:002009-01-29T22:52:00.000-08:00I'm in love with the fact that the first Monit...I'm in love with the fact that the first Monitor to fall corrupted by the Darkness of Mandrakk, Ogama ... was basically the DCU equivalent of Frank Miller.<BR/><BR/>Apparently Morrison blames him for quite a bit of the modern grim & gritty crap.<BR/><BR/>And how does he depict Miller? As a slavering minion, clinging to the bottom of New Earth (DC Continuity) and trying to scratch and ruin it. Spreading the propaganda of a false god.<BR/><BR/>GOLD.<BR/><BR/>Also, for Zillo being the Monitor of Red Rain Earth ... I called it a while ago, and I'm glad that was the case. <BR/><BR/>I didn't get the "women in freezers" bit at first, didn't even think about it. Amazing.<BR/><BR/>Is it possible that the hand seen at the dawn of time by the Oans, Krona, and in the subsequent Crises, was actually the hand of our main man, Superman?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-28982981187323674552009-01-29T19:32:00.000-08:002009-01-29T19:32:00.000-08:00I still don't know whether Hawkman/Hawkgirl bites ...I still don't know whether Hawkman/Hawkgirl bites it. There is so much confusion around, I'm just gonna go with "they got better" and leave it at that. Blissful ignorance is always best ^_^Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-39780969347901453262009-01-29T18:15:00.001-08:002009-01-29T18:15:00.001-08:00Thanks for this. It's going to help a lot. I just ...Thanks for this. It's going to help a lot. I just re-read FC 1-4 and I'm going to finish it with a new perspective.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07878218624824766034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-50276612684549696192009-01-29T18:15:00.000-08:002009-01-29T18:15:00.000-08:00re: The Flashes v. DarkseidSeems redundant and unn...re: The Flashes v. Darkseid<BR/><BR/>Seems redundant and unnecessary (Why does the Black Racer need directions to a dying god?). Actually, it's the god-level symbolism that mades Batman's coup possible. Note the parallels:<BR/><BR/>Batman <-> Flash<BR/>repurposed bullet <-> redirected Omega beams ("This was suicide, Darkseid.")<BR/>radion poisoning <-> Black Racer<BR/><BR/>"Beyond the superluminal barrier, matter converts to pure information." The Flashes provided the idea of Darkseid's defeat; Batman, the reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-66737356927041924952009-01-29T17:23:00.000-08:002009-01-29T17:23:00.000-08:00It's Superman-as-God saying "let there be light," ...<I>It's Superman-as-God saying "let there be light," and making a wish.</I><BR/><BR/>Another way to frame it is that Superman prays.<BR/><BR/>"A super-communications device--like a cellphone to the gods, I heard."<BR/><BR/>"Superman. Your signal has been received and understood. This is between Monitors now."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-49321021417795812552009-01-29T14:19:00.000-08:002009-01-29T14:19:00.000-08:00So much cool stuff to process! The Flashes chasin...So much cool stuff to process! The Flashes chasing a bullet that was shot backwards through time... they race forward through time as it travels backwards back into the gun. What is this William Blake? On a second reading, the one emotion that kept returning was 'beautiful'.<BR/><BR/>This has probably been mentioned, but the bleed is also a printing reference. Anything past the bleed line is all the area outside of the printed page.<BR/><BR/>So Obama was in a marvel comic, almost like product placement. This is the spirit of hope and change in comic form. When Nix wakes up on Earth again it reminds me of the post-apocalypse issues at the end of Promethea.<BR/><BR/>And if Anthro was the prototypical first hero, I can't think of a better successor to be there with the rocketship.<BR/><BR/>Almost surprised we didn't run into Greg Feely or Spartacus Hughes. or didnt we?Floating Worldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06396682696008078738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-25877833423916017182009-01-29T13:19:00.000-08:002009-01-29T13:19:00.000-08:00The image of Superman pulling the earth made me th...The image of Superman pulling the earth made me think of World's Finest 208 -- the great Neal Adams' cover with a Len Wein story teaming Supes and Dr. Fate...<BR/><BR/>Did anyone catch Morrison's interview in Newsarama yesterday (?), with the recommended reading order of the series and spin-offs? He only included the stuff he wrote himself (though he mentioned the other things were worth reading...)<BR/><BR/>And the order is:<BR/><BR/>FINAL CRISIS # 1- 3<BR/>SUPERMAN BEYOND # 1- 2<BR/>SUBMIT<BR/>FINAL CRISIS # 4 – 5<BR/>BATMAN #682 – 683<BR/>FINAL CRISIS # 6 – 7<BR/><BR/>I need to re-read this all over again -- it would be interesting to sit down with 52 again, first, at this point. Perhaps even go back to JLA Classified and Seven Soldiers.<BR/><BR/>Wanted to thank Douglas and those fine folks at the Babylon of Funnybooks, too. I've still got a lot to learn, but know more than before thanks to them...Garrie Burrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08655002725754446947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-8777149322102289412009-01-29T12:22:00.000-08:002009-01-29T12:22:00.000-08:00Great job Doug. Your blog and FunnyBabylon make my...Great job Doug. Your blog and FunnyBabylon make my week sometimes. Are you going to SDCC09?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-24398679507538864212009-01-29T10:32:00.000-08:002009-01-29T10:32:00.000-08:00Thank you very much for your Final Crisis annotati...Thank you very much for your Final Crisis annotations. <BR/><BR/>PS. Native Spanish speaker here: <BR/><BR/>"He is going to jumpstart time, that's what they've told me. <BR/><BR/>To live in a world with a man like [him/that]."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-28666856003602208982009-01-29T10:07:00.000-08:002009-01-29T10:07:00.000-08:00I can see some of the rage over Morrison's use of ...I can see some of the rage over Morrison's use of obscure comics/events/characters/etc... but to me, that's part of the fun of reading comics - discovery.<BR/><BR/>When I first picked up comics, I had no idea who any DC character was that wasn't a Super Friend. But I wanted to learn more about that little blue guy, or the green bald guy, or that red guy that ran fast. I gobbled the DCU mythology up, just like kids gobble up the names of dinosaurs, pokemon and the like today.<BR/><BR/>And when discovery wasn't an option? The next experience was imagination... which is one of the big points of this series. Not having every little thing spelled out for me in FC made using the ole' noggin to fill in the blanks fun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-71078109007496538152009-01-29T09:19:00.000-08:002009-01-29T09:19:00.000-08:00I kinda like the idea of the miracle machine being...I kinda like the idea of the miracle machine being the ultimate deux ex machina, and morrison being so straightforward about it. And yes the happy ending its a very superman thing.awesomedudesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03163613566878393677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-78183409533589494772009-01-29T07:32:00.000-08:002009-01-29T07:32:00.000-08:00I loved Wonder Woman's line about meeting Frankens...I loved Wonder Woman's line about meeting Frankenstein for the first time. There's a wonderful symmetry there about two artificially created beings meeting up.Scott Cederlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07184941142922866755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013594081496330946.post-2366479171656730772009-01-29T06:24:00.000-08:002009-01-29T06:24:00.000-08:00On page 23, doesn't Element X resemble the Worlogo...On page 23, doesn't Element X resemble the Worlogog from Rock Of Ages?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com